About Cessation, a.k.a. Nirvikalpa Samadhi

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ViestiKirjoittaja Baba » 22 Tammi 2016 23:22

About Cessation, a.k.a. Nirvikalpa Samadhi

ANNA wrote:
Can you give any practical methods to make the duration a little longer?

Baba wrote:
Hello Anna,

Cessation or nirvikalpa samadhi was a hot potato for years for me. At some point I had an aha moment when I realised that I had had short cessation for thousands and thousands of times all throughout my childhood and youth. For almost 3 decades I didn't know what these moments of complete cessation were but the profound effect I was able to notice. Sometimes I even thought I was going crazy as after the lights came back familiar things and their concepts seemed unknown to me.

In my case cessations kept happening spontanously for years even during when I practiced a lot of sitting meditation (zen and later tantric yoga)every day. It didn't happen during practice which is kind of interesting. The first longer cessation took place when stream entry took place. Afterwards I found out that it lasted for about 1½ hours.

I've noticed a change in the quality of these cessations. During childhood, teen years and all the way up to few years ago (I'm 36 now), it was a dramatic shift. As if very dramatically electricity goes out in a media building... and then comes back on like a drowning person gasps for air. There was this treshold to it and from it that was steep. But this treshold was worn off during the last few years. Now it is barely noticeable but subtly there. Last summer during a retreat with close students, there was longest so far cessations which lasted for about 3 hours in a row.

In yoga they speak of two kinds of cessation: 1. kevala nirvikalpa samadhi and 2. sahaja nirvikalpa samadhi. Simple translations 1. yogic cessation and 2. natural cessation are descriptive. The state of cessation is the same but the way how it happens because of the treshold wearing effect of the previous cessation, is where the difference is. I heard Tulku Urgyen say about the original state/the mind of a buddha, that there is "no arising and no cessation". In my understanding this no cessation is the same as natural cessation as there is no more cessation taking place.

If you are interested in a specific technique that I practice and teach others for (partially) this purpose, go here and read the two texts on Space Gazing:
[url]
http://guruslight.blogspot.fi/2015/11/m ... azing.html[/url]

Caro wrote:
Mahasi Sayadaw recommends that, if one has
sufficiently strong concentration and mature level of insight, one
simply needs to set a strong resolution to stay absorbed in the fruition for a certain period of time - and then that´s what happens. I am really curious to find out if it can work that way...

Baba wrote: Sure but I'd say that "strong" concentration gives a bit false idea how to go about it. If you clench your fist and tighten your asshole to have a "strong" intention to make cessation happen, you might end up getting hemorrhoids instead of cessation, ha. Mature level on insight? Surely so.

Hope this is of use,
Baba​

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ViestiKirjoittaja miisa » 24 Tammi 2016 02:22

FYI
there's a moment in your spiritual growth, a dream in which you come into contact with the dark beast - that is - your own fucking sub-consciousness. and it usually displays as a beast, that has somehow or another, unlocked the door from inside your 4th layer of sub-consciousness, that your friend opened for you. remember, it is a dream. but you're going to scared as fuck,,bc you'll be screaming to this friend (whoever he is) "Don't open that door."
and it's still just a dream
I mean you'll be scared shitless. The beast is just going to attack you with all its strength but luckily, it's just a dream, but you'll have enough time to realize this and never be hurt.

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ViestiKirjoittaja miisa » 07 Helmi 2016 13:19

validity of non-sense is all you're saying. kim, you have a child. only sayannies are to reap benefits of yoga

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ViestiKirjoittaja miisa » 07 Helmi 2016 13:24

so you cannot be authority on yoga

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ViestiKirjoittaja miisa » 07 Helmi 2016 13:44

mullon vittu yoga mala täs naaman edes, heräsin saatana kolmen päivän putkesta viideltä. tarviit oikeesti kimi aika saatanan paljon enemmän voimaa
sivu 25
yoga mala
By Sri K. Pattabhi Jois
jooga on prosessi, jossa lopetetaan tietoisuuden alueen määritteleminen

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ViestiKirjoittaja Tomi » 16 Maalis 2016 15:21

hm.

Tulee mieleen että oletko jutellut jonkun tradition edustajan kanssa näistä tiloista?

Oman ymmärryksen mukaan (kuulopuheen) tuo tila seuraa kahdeksannesta jhanasta eli on noista samadhi tiloista se "täydellisin" siinä mielessä että tajunnan sisältö on vähäisin. Tuntuu vähän kummalta ajatukselta että sinne ja takaisin voisi mennä kovin nopeasti meditaation lomassa.

http://www.dharmaoverground.org/web/gue ... tti/pop_up

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ViestiKirjoittaja miisa » 17 Maalis 2016 19:07

heitä tää jätkä lukion penkille niin näet


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